While I am a fan of these Sinica Podcasts, I am sorry to say that this podcast was only relevant to a few hundred people -- either journalists or self-appointed China watchers. Asking "where you were when you heard the news" seems to equate this story to major historical events like 911 or the JKF assassination. A bit of 自作多情 this time around.

Keep up the good work but aim for broader over deeper

It's great to hear journalists of the "traditional media" defend the rigorous process of classical journalism in this day and age -- I'm not being sarcastic here, I'm really filled with strong and constant hatred against the tabloidization of news.

However, I'd like to know why the very same standards are routinely ignored for the reporting of "human rights issues" in China? The vast majority of those news stories are single-sourced, with the sole source being as partisan and agenda-harboring as it can possibly be, and often with no corroborating evidence whatsoever. Basically, any Chinese Democracy or Free Tibet group can claim whatever it wants and gets it on the wire in matter of hours.

I remember very clearly a press conference by the Chinese foreign ministry in the aftermath of the Tibetan riot in 2008, where a reporter of the DPA tried to defend the practice of "we print whatever exile Tibetans say" with "because you guys don't let us go to Tibet and refuse to answer specific question", to which the MFA spokesman responded, "you're like someone saying since he has no money to buy food, he has no choice but to commit robbery". The moronic crisis response information policy of the Chinese government aside, the comparison was spot on.

And if this kind of reporting is substandard, the headlines it comes with are downright corrupt. The text of those story would accurately state, "according to ...", but with rare exceptions, the headline (which is what most people would read right before skipping the content) would simply hide the fact that it's no more than an uncorroborated claim. I'd very much like to see an analysis on how many "China human rights" stories are titled "China did X" instead of "Activist: China did X" or "China did X, says activists", and compare the number with, say, that of stories about domestic or international politics in the West (where this kind of omission would sometimes cost the editor his job). Even if one sees the multiple-sourced reporting as hopelessly outdated in the twitter era, there can't possibly any excuse for the headline-doctoring.

This problem has existed since time eternal. But I've yet to see or here a representative of the Western media address it. The contrast between the standard Mr. Page and Mr. Epstein advocate and what is being practiced day-in day-out by their colleagues on certain categories of China reporting cannot be starker. Someone really should explain.

@wsg,

There are plenty of stories in constant circulation on Boxun and other sites which never get coverage in the mainstream Western press. If you can cite even a single example of any of the journalists hosted on Sinica pulling things unattributed from those places I'd be curious to see it.

"you're like someone saying since he has no money to buy food, he has no choice but to commit robbery".... [and I believe] the comparison was spot on.

Huh? Western journalists weren't allowed into Tibet because they didn't buy tickets like everyone else? I guess the entire non-Chinese media shouldn't have spent its money on booze at Sanlitun or they wouldn't have been locked out of the market for fair and unbiased information you claim exists in what must be the most trollish or self-delusional comment I've ever seen on a Sinica discussion.

wgj,

Your buy/steal analogy implies that journalists can easily get unbiased, first-hand information in the same way I can go to the shop and buy a loaf of bread. In a situation where there is no such marketplace of ideas, such as under a government-led campaign to suppress independent reporting, the analogy is first-order nonsense.

And please take your China trolling elsewhere. If you can't source a single complaint about any of the journalists who have appeared on this show, your constant whining about biased mainstream China coverage is juvenile and off-topic.

This is a joke right? You seriously think it is inappropriate for a journalist to talk to Tibetan exile groups about a story involving political protest in Tibet?

You may not like the fact that self-immolating monks are considered newsworthy in the West, but Jacobs is about as balanced as you can expect in this situation. Even though the Chinese government was in lockdown mode, he reported China's official response to previous incidents without even editorializing on the obvious absurdity in their position: if these people are terrorists, why are they killing themselves instead of other people?

Jacobs names one of his sources directly and explicitly writes "exile groups" in the plural. So he claims to have consulted multiple sources and seems to have gone out of his way to try and present multiple viewpoints.

If you believe he has been "lazy" and is simply relaying a false narrative without adequate checks, the burden is on you at this point to establish a reasonable doubt about the accuracy his reporting. Since this is YOUR chosen example of shoddy reporting and you insist there is disagreement over the facts reported I imagine this should be easy and so will concede without comment if you can point to ANY document published shortly after this incident that meets your own journalistic standards and calls into question the facts reported.

So those are points 1 and 2 demolished. And as far as 3-4 go, you are the only person I know who would confuse this article with a statement of official Chinese policy. Or take the position that using a colon after a country name implies a statement of government policy. Here are the first two examples I can find of this usage in Google News:

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/egypt-76-convicted-for-1506780.html

http://www.eurasiareview.com/27082012-russia-anti-church-hysteria-spreads-as-crosses-chopped-down/