The aspectual particle is a tricky beast, and despite the impression Professor Zhang may have given you in quickly sweeping the entire subject under the carpet to return to discussing the Great Wall, the difference between the three is very important. Proper use of 了, 着 and 过 is so essential, in fact, that we've created this separate test devoted just to it.

The material here is so foundational, in fact, that we recommend this test to students far above the Beginner level ("just to be safe..."). So wade forth into our 15 sample exercises which test you on the foundations of using aspectual particles. Can you tell them apart? Do you know what they mean? If you run into trouble, feel free to leave questions in the discussion section below. We're more than happy to explain why some answers are correct and others... just plain wrong.
 said on
October 15, 2008
这是一个非常全面的关于“着、了、过”的测试。 It covers most situations(esp. some special situations) that you can use them. Intermediate or even Advanced students will find it's helpful too.

--Echo

echo@popupchinese.com
 said on
October 15, 2008
I'm confused by (at least) two of these questions:

我们只顾着说话,坐 ____ 站了。快下车吧。

The correct answer here is supposed to be 了. But why? I can see the symmetry between ___ 了___了, but don't understand what the entire sentence is supposed to mean.

One more question -- why is 过 the correct answer in the sentence 上个月他去过上海. I understand that 过 tells us the events are completed, but how do we know that he came back? Wouldn't 上个月他去了上海 be equally valid?
 said on
October 15, 2008
1. To my understanding, 过 is more a verb than a surfix. 过 means pass. The 了at the end of this sentense shows past tense.

We need expert to judge my guess.

2. 上个月他去过上海 the emphasis is on the place. He could have been to other places than just Shanghai.

3.上个月他去了上海 the emphasis is on the action. What he did was going to Shanghai.

Any other ideas?
 said on
October 16, 2008
orbital&leanne,

"坐过站" is a fixed phrase which means you just missed your station--"you have just passed your station".

About the second question--"verb+过"indicates something experienced, and has relation with past time. This action does not last till now."verb+了"indicates that something has been finished. The time can be past , and can be present and in the future. If the action happened in the past, it may last till now. You may notice that we have some similar questions in the test too.

--Echo

echo@popupchinese.com
 said on
October 16, 2008
12/15. Although 九月一到 is surely just as valid as 九月一过, at least for those of us who come from warmer countries and have different concept of when it starts to get colder :-)
 said on
October 17, 2008
@imron,

We were planing to give those friends who were/are in Beijing some special 照顾...

For us native 北京人儿, the weather is still a bit hot at the beginning of Sept. Plus 秋老虎, we usually take October or the end of Sept as the beginning of the fall.

--Echo

echo@popupchinese.com
 said on
October 17, 2008
Haha, I am in Beijing. I meant that from growing up in a warmer country (Australia), my definition of cold is going to be different. So when I see 在北京,九月一过,天气就渐渐凉起来了, I think no, the weather started getting colder in September already.
 said on
October 17, 2008
that's a good point, imron. i don't know if the HSK has this sort of cultural bias towards the Chinese worldview (Echo and Katharine will...), but we should be careful about these sorts of things.

I also got the 坐过站 question wrong, incidentally, although the right answer seems so obvious in retrospect.
 said on
October 17, 2008
The other two questions I mucked up, were the 看都看了, and 慢着点儿开车. Actually, I initially put the correct answer for both of them but then changed my mind at the last minute 囧 I blame it on not ever learning grammar.
 said on
October 18, 2008
@imron,

HSK 考始中确实有一些考察文化背景的题目,至于天气的那道题,其实从八月底以后天气都在变凉,但是从九月底开始降温幅度很大,所以这是我们考察的初衷。

--Echo

echo@popupchinese.com
 said on
October 18, 2008
You should definately bring more of those. I have huge deficits here (9/15!).
 said on
October 18, 2008
more of everything is on the way.... : )
 said on
October 19, 2008
@henning,

Glad that you like it:)

--Echo

echo@popupchinese.com
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